The answer for me and in the film: "I don't. But it's what I choose to believe."
Currently I choose to believe in non-duality, the non-reality of this universe, and the reality of something outside it, because:
1) It's the closest thing I have found which matches what I find.
2) It is the thing I've found which gives most hope of attaining the warmth and light I crave.
And I believe that exists simply because I crave it. It's impossible to crave something which you have never had the least contact with or knowledge about.
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Non duality doesn't mean non reality of the universe. It merely means that you do not have an independent existence from the universe. Ultimately you can neither say that the university is real or non real. All you can sy that the universe is. Just like a dream is not separate from the dreamer, the manifested universe is not different from the unmnifested source of the universe. And just like in your personal dream, you take on a personality that appears to be independent from the dreamed universe, but really is not, similarly in your wakeful universe, you appear to be different from the universe, but are not. In other words, this is it. There is nothing else (like the reality of something outside it, like you seem to wish for).
Fair enough, thanks.
But in nocturnal dreams, there *is* a reality outside/beyond the dream, which you find out when you wake up. I don't think we can dismiss the possibility that there may be one also in relation to the World.
Wise words, anon. But I need to warn you: I have been making this same point to Eo for several years now, with no success.
Eolake: I don't think we can dismiss the possibility that there may be one also in relation to the World.
No, but that wasn't the point here, was it? As anonymous said: “Non duality doesn't mean non reality of the universe.” Similarly, your waking state doesn't imply non reality of your nocturnal dreams.
In fact, the definition you made in the post: “non-duality, the non-reality of this universe, and the reality of something outside it” is an oxymoron.
You either believe in Monism (non-duality) or you don't. You can't have it both ways. When you choose to label some part of your experience as real and another part as non-real, you are in fact promoting Dualism.
Eolake, your point is that just like waking negates the dream world, therefore something else can negate the waking world. Thus the waking world is non real. I agree with you on the first point, but would not therefore call the world non real. instead i would say that all these worlds (dreaming, waking, etc.) do not have an independent existence. They exist as perceptions. To reiterate ttl's point above with an analogy, calling the Source real and the manifested world unreal is like calling the face real, but the nose unreal. The place where you demarcate the real from the unreal is only an idea in your mind. But if you want to do so, be my guest. These are all just words anyway.
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